ENOUGH WITH THE GODDAMN LAYOFFS

NC Austin and NC Europe today.

Hey, management? You’re doing it wrong.

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24 Responses to ENOUGH WITH THE GODDAMN LAYOFFS

  1. xzzy says:

    This link has been doing the rounds:

    http://www.speaker.gov/blog/?p=1683

    Nothing says “we’re doomed!” like a pictograph.

  2. Gunch says:

    Suddenly those rumors about the Austin site being shuttered don’t sound so far-fetched.
    Good luck to all my friends in QA who got laid off today. 😦

  3. CaesarsGhost says:

    you’d THINK that hiring people to make games would be the way to go… not the opposite…

  4. insanity says:

    @1, thanks for the link. It seems to me that graph is more than a little misleading. For one, I’d be interested in knowing the season that the “highest” month is for each of those recessions — employment is, I think (could be wrong), seasonal. If the high-water mark for this recession happened to coincide with the seasonal high, the absolute decrease will be inflated. For another, I think a more useful graph would be a percentage of jobs lost.

    I’m not saying the US economy isn’t in the crapper, but much like I raged and ranted against the Bush administration’s dishonest use of graphs (such as success in Iraq with various skewed or dishonest metrics), I’m disheartened to see the same thing happening with this new Obama administration. Is it really too much to ask to have a scientist produce the charts, instead of the PR guy? This seems like another administration that, same as the old, is trying to scare me (the puvlic) into rah-rah-ing along with all their proposals because things are so horrid that if action is not taken !now! (don’t think!), I’m (we’re all) fucked.

    Gah.

  5. Vetarnias says:

    I don’t work in this industry, so I usually abstain from commenting on the “business” side of things.

    However, in the case of NCSoft in particular, I’m starting to wonder whether their expansion in the West wasn’t a fluke to begin with. The fate of TR didn’t seem to be a make-or-break moment for the company, because you’d expect them to have a cushion with all those Lineage, GW and CoH titles. But reading this, I’m starting to have second thoughts. It just seems to be that the company started thinking of itself as a major international player far sooner than it should have.

    As for upcoming projects: Aion in the west? Not sure about how that will play out.

  6. insanity says:

    Someone’s already done that work, added some value with commentary, and given more perspective — still scary yes, but maybe not quite end-of-the-world scary yet… http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2009/02/job-losses-during-recessons.html

  7. Arrakiv says:

    I’ve met a few people at NCSoft Austin and I’m certainly feeling for them – and everyone else involved.

  8. JuJutsu says:

    @insanity

    I’m glad you found a way to draw the graphs in a way that makes you feel better. We have to take comfort whenever and however we can find it.

  9. Bo Williams says:

    NCSoft’s management was “doing it wrong” for years. The layoffs are just the last gasp of something that was already dead.

  10. Klaitu says:

    Layoffs suck. What more needs to be said?

  11. Rodalpho says:

    “The cuts and reorganization will not impact support or game development”

    So who’d they fire? The janitorial staff?

  12. Spitt says:

    And while other people’s businesses are failing, I have a business where we are expanding. In the last month we doubled our workforce and will do so again when we get more qualified workers. The difference between the companies which are failing and us is simple, we constantly change to find a place where we can make money. When one idea doesn’t pan out, we look for a different way. In the last 1-2 years, we have changed our strategy 4x. And now… we’re expanding.

    As for the oil dependency, our country could change that easily. There is water technology which has been developed in both the USA and Japan, which removes the oil dependency – COMPLETELY. In Japan, they have a car that can run 50 miles on a gallon of water. In the USA, they developed a method to separate water to hydrogen and oxygen, then inject this into the air mixture, to increase the miles on a gallon of gas. Additionally, there are technologies to change over from running diesel to running off of different oils, like used oil from fast food places.

    We have the technology. But the oil companies discourage the changing over to other fuels. They will try to show every reason, much of it false, in order to keep our dependency on it.

  13. Vetarnias says:

    Rodalpho :
    “The cuts and reorganization will not impact support or game development”
    So who’d they fire? The janitorial staff?

  14. insanity says:

    @JuJutsu, please, enlighten me and tell me why a chart comparing job losses between recessions to illustrate “how dramatic and unprecedented the job loss over the last 13 months has been” using raw job loss numbers is more intellectually honest than showing it as a percentage of the workforce?

    I’m not trying to “take comfort” in anything, I am only interested in an honest assessment of the situation instead of some politician’s scare tactic to produce a certain result.

  15. Viz says:

    @Spitt
    So what is this purported exothermic chemical reaction that allows you to extract energy from water?

  16. Ravious says:

    However, unlike Mythic it seems that NCSoft did allow those laid off to transfer across the pond…according to Massively.

  17. Jason Ballew says:

    Good luck to all of those affected. There’s never a good time to be jobless, but now is worse than most.

  18. JuJutsu says:

    @insanity

    Neither the raw numbers nor the numbers as a % of peak employment are more intellectually honest than the other. Nor ‘honest’ in any other sense. I’d say any ‘honest’ assessment of current economic circumstances is that they are dire. Stick your head as deeply into the sand as you want.

  19. Toastrider says:

    Viz :
    @Spitt
    So what is this purported exothermic chemical reaction that allows you to extract energy from water?

    Probably the same one that allows for perpetual motion machines (both types).

    It’s the same reason hydrogen cells aren’t taking off. Right now, the only way we can get hydrogen easily is from water; the only way to break the bonds is with electrolysis, which — durr — costs energy.

    Actually, we do have an excellent way to shore up our power needs. A shame too many people flinch when you mention ‘nuclear’.

  20. Chas says:

    @insanity
    While I do like seeing all the data, the types of jobs that were the staple of the economy back in 1948, 1953, 1958… even up to 1981…. are very different than we see today. The farther back you go, the less relevant a comparison is. The speaker’s chart compared only the last two recessions for that reason.

    Although you balked that the “deceptive” chart didn’t show something more illuminating, like percentages, the percentage chart you linked to shows very much the same general pattern between the last three recessions when viewed. It seems odd that this chart would satisfy you as more truthful, since if anything it shows that the original Speaker’s chart was rather representative of the situation.

    Back to the original topic: My thoughts go out to the NC crewmembers affected. You guys have done great work and deserve better.

  21. Iconic says:

    “This seems like another administration that, same as the old, is trying to scare me (the puvlic) into rah-rah-ing along with all their proposals because things are so horrid that if action is not taken !now! (don’t think!), I’m (we’re all) fucked.”

    Yea bro, it’s all made up, like terror alert levels. All the people losing their jobs are an effort to scare you into creating jobs.

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  23. ceolstan says:

    I was really sorry to see these layoffs. I alpha-tested Guild Wars, and I had a lot of respect for the NCSoft Europe CR team, who were extremely active in the forums. Their coverage of NCSoft’s presence at Leipzig was excellent. They were very accessible and very in touch with the community they were serving.

    They’re not involved in creating games, so their loss won’t affect “development” per se, but it’s really tough to see such hard-working people lose their jobs–especially in the current economic climate.

  24. Glendronnach says:

    @Toastrider

    To be fair, many of us flinch when that word is mentioned solely because many people insist on pronouncing it /NU-cyu-ler/.

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